For more casual sampling, have a look at this complete list of all posts since the beginning of time or download the mobile app. I wonder how bundled up I’d have to be just *sitting* in a 50 degree house. Alistair Semifruggal Not including the mortgage, it was $55k. Poor people are less likely to own a car, will end up spending more time traveling via bike or public transit for routine sh*t like work or picking up kids from daycare, are more likely to have unpredictable working schedules, etc. Most sellers also end up paying attorney fees, settlement agent fees, and get hit with various repair costs. I’ve just recently realized that I COULD have (theoretically) met Thomas Stanley as I’ve been to his neighborhood. You are so right about “This stuff works for you, no matter the income level–it can give you choices, give you options.” You have made the choice to work only part of the year so you can use the other part of the year to do what YOU want, rather than what your boss wants. I was feeling sloppy on my grasp of current spending, so I paid $60, learned how to use it through one of their simple webinars, and proceeded to immediately slaughter the $10K line of credit debt and build up a cushion of one month’s expenses, as per the program, after only about 10 months. That makes sense to me. Absolutely no discomfort by dressing properly with warm clothing. Where can I cut and still have a life? I have a net worth around 1 million as a single 54yo. Once the total value of all your investments reaches 25-30 times your annual spending, paid work is now entirely at your discretion. And rightfully so. January 26, 2015, 10:11 am, Great and timely post! Mr. Money Mustache goes out of his way to make his life hard. Ownership of the Condo: $580,000 – $460,000 = $120,000 If I didn’t have *any* payment for mortgage/rent, I could bump my savings rate to 50%. GordonsGecko . Either way you’re still in the same spot mostly, with the difference being that the latter strategy is higher risk / reward. Suze and Mr. Money Mustache are both playing a dangerous game with so many assumptions. Pete Adeney, aka Mr. Money Mustache, is famous for retiring at the age of 30 and blogging about it. 50% without. (-26.8k to be exact). Victor Fox January 26, 2015, 10:25 am. MMM has written about that exact topic a few times, but essentially; it’s less important what you make than what you save. And while there will usually be fat to trim in any budget, there is a definite floor on spending (see http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_858.html) that makes it much much harder for lower-earning, average Americans to achieve high savings rates and hence retire really early. Geez – this isn’t looking good. For me, counting my car in my Net Worth calculation was valuable. My wife and I are wanting to buy a house soon so that’ll change in. Inputting a transaction costs roughly one minute. 13 miles is physically *do-able* for me, even though it would take more than an hour each way. For the sake of running a scenario analysis, use the $100K if you’re sure about getting it. It’s not a free program, but you get a 32-day free trial if you want to check it out (and they won’t auto-bill you at the end of the 32 days, either). I already have a programmable thermostat that drops the temp to 60 during the day and 68 at night. He and his wife reached a net worth of one hundred thousand at the age of 25 and are on their way to financial independence. Is this driven by anything in particular or just adding a cushion? Per month: Adeney retired from his job as a software engineer in 2005 at age 30 by spending only a small percentage of his annual salary and consistently investing the remainder, primarily in stock market index funds. Yet many of its friends and former coworkers were stuck in the rate race and still broke. If you bowl that much, you should be good enough to make a big chunk of it back (at least). So if your tax return is generally around $3,600 per year, as a random example, then that’s an extra $300/mo. As no active threats were reported recently by users, mrmoneymustache.net is SAFE to browse. Would you still consider this to be FI? Yup, as long as you will eventually be selling that Lamborghini, it makes sense to count it as an asset. What is cause and effect doesn’t really matter to my mind. There are enough of these questions that I think it’s worth responding. Since personal-use items (homes included) rarely produce income, it’s almost never appropriate to include them. But for the purposes of financial independence, we should be careful in counting its value. Expensive house, flashy car, massive income and even some money in the bank. We are saving about 45% of our income. 13 degrees C is about 55 deg F. I couldn’t go THAT low – if it’s 55F outside during spring or fall I have to wear a jacket… :-) Although now I’m wondering if I could use Josh’s idea of the space heater for my room at night…? The noted penny-pinching guru dubbed Mr. Money Mustache announced on New Year’s Eve that he and his wife have divorced, writing in a blog post that they only spent $265 on the entire process. If you want to manually enter all transactions, the best budgeting software is YNAB: http://www.youneedabudget.com/. After switching to biking, I realized the persistent reduction in Net Worth was no longer worth it, so I sold the Motorized Climate-Controlled Throne before it depreciated any further. rate I guess investment return is figured into calculations, but not income? Not sure why that one is so far off. By any standard definition, yes, your primary house is an asset and is counted in net worth. Uh, I would check your math. You will sleep better in 13-14°C! It would be much less had I put 20% down originally. CheapMom Otherwise folks who have the bulk of their net worth tied up in a house and car will get a deceptively rosy picture. Cable TV/Internet: $150 Yes, if we were going to have a quiet retirement of basic travel, we could quit now, but I am not ready to quit working. Here’s the calculator I used: Comparing yourself to consumer suckas who blow it all on booze and eating out is really not where you want to be. An enjoyable activity that costs money? That’s a concise and easy to follow summary on net worth, spending and saving rates. Most people get a large tax refund not because of withholding, but because of refundable tax credits such as alternative child tax credit and earned income credit. sixties and have about 720,000 in net worth and no bills whatsoever. Total Spending : 4-6. Unless Uncle Sam is going to go around giving free houses out to everyone, a fair comparison for the average working American would include a mortgage payment equivalent in the spending figure (about $2000 a month for a $400k house, for example, which would bring total annual spending closer to $50,000 [the U.S. average], just as a hypothetical example). -0- Some take the money at 62 to invest while they live as if it isn’t there. But at some point, I found MMM (I think a couple years ago now.) By the way, since this is a blog on saving money – I recommend your readers ALWAYS ask their REALTOR® if they can cut their commission. You’re in a great position regardless of what happens in the short term. My net rental income is too inconsistent to put my finger on this, with a lot of discretionary upgrades lately (new roof, NEST, etc). So based on 40% savings rate it will take 22 years until we can retire. There’s been too many cases of Americans with high net worths from inflated home prices, with not enough of their money performing the magic of compounding interest through investments. Don’t bother with depreciating consumer stuff like your cars, furniture, or Apple products, unless you are willing to sell them right now. I looked at Mint, but it only allows transactions to be pulled automatically from the various accounts. Either way, you’re in an excellent position! He publicly shares that the annual spending for his family of three is in that range. Neil – read Millionaire Next Door as well and my favourite part is benchmarking your net worth. 100k, 30 year, 20% down, 3.7% gives you monthly payments in the $500 range which includes insurance (if you don’t pay 20% down expect to pay more insurance and a higher rate). His net worth was at USD 600’000 with an additional USD 200’000 in his debt-free house. OK and whatever else I can scavenge after getting all fired up reading MMM. Keep rocking it, man. You seem to love bowling… so much so that you are willing to concede working an extra 5-10 years of your life to support the habit. His saving rates and projected retirement time only assume that he doesn’t have any lifestyle inflation and doesn’t get married a few years down the road. Cell Phone: $150 Living less consumptive lives is better for us and better for the planet. What if the pension comes with a tax-free lump sum? I’m not going to be FI at 30–largely because I’ve taken to skills from MMM to allow myself to fund 6month adventures (hiking long trails, traveling, taking jobs that only pay 500 a month but let me be a glacier guide in alaska because HEY, that looks cool.) AWESOME Dude! Granted, it’s through USAA, but you should be able to get that down a thousand or two a year. The idea for this blog was born. (Take home pay – spending) / (take home pay) , then multiply by 100 to get a percentage, ($13,839 – $8919) / ($13,839) x 100. I understanad this is not your niche, but I’d like to see the same anaylsis for the vast majoroity of people who are m;aking less than $30,000 a year, or about $14/hour. Also regarding your “Winning” money that means you are also losing too… that losing money you could be earning 7% on. I’m not understanding that, because just to get the MORTGAGE payment that low, the calculator shows that would only pay for a $20,000 house. Ahh, but that was an RV in the San Francisco Bay area with high lot rent. As we spend the cash I reallocate to actual, ie haircuts, etc. Most of the smaller firms do cut the commission, and craft a deal to fit your needs. Mr. Money Mustache January 27, 2020, 12:29 pm. Shadow – I actually was looking at purchasing a bowling center about 25 years ago, but I couldn’t put the deal together… :-(, DC Jr Mustashian We continue to invest 40 pc of our income and my spouse expects to quit working in 7-10 years. Many of our friends in similar situations drive expensive cars, live in homes far larger that needed, and have net worths far, far below what they should have given their income. Also one more thought… why pay $20/month for netflix when you can get free books and films at your local library? Victor Fox Moreover, the costs for repairing a house are affected by inflation – here in Germany, houses cost at least twice or thrice today than in the 1970s. Unnecessary checkups at BMW Dealer: $150 So how do you calculate the value of a pension into Net Worth? Most people are too attached to their things to take such a plunge. You may be working the rest of your life, but it’ll be work you *enjoy*, repairing and renovating the bowling alley… and you can bowl 24 hours a day if you get the urge. The thing is, that if you own a house, you don’t have to allow for rent costs in your annual spending. Mark Ferguson When you’re confused about your own money, it is likely that you are wasting a lot of it. Monthly Spending: $3,565.82 Look at that collection of financial spaghetti. I would also suggest doing a case study in the forums; if only for making it more readable than here. Your electricity costs will drop to near-zero. Wow, thanks for sharing that too Kyle – I hope you are all coming out of it okay. He currently resides in Canada. Problem solved. But it’s also one of the best ways to short currency – you borrow at a low rate to purchase a house with the expectation that inflation will allow you to pay that money back in devalued dollars, and you get to live in it in the meantime. That’ll get you to retirement in around 20 years, not bad at all IMO. What the hell have you been blowing all your money on?! So if I buy an iPad with cash, it’s spending, but if I put it on a CC and pay down the debt it’s not? Spoiler Alert: I got punched in the face! There were a few unique aspects about this town, including the fact that it had no foreign automobiles, and his family chose not to have access to cable television at home. We were able to amass a retire-able amount of stash on substantially less than that, but if I had read this example way back then I may have thought it was out of reach. Take-home income instead of gross income.” 2 – personal property (ie home equity and cars) do not get counted as part of the pile of investments that needs to total 25x our spending. I include property taxes and sales tax, but do not count income tax or other payroll taxes. January 26, 2015, 3:56 pm, that is a really good way of thinking about it. I know how cold *I* am if I get up in the middle of the night, and my thermostat is only down to 66… Example: My total annual spending is $40,000, Vanguard ETF accounts = $700,000 Clothes, Suits, and Gentlemanly Accessories: $600 Even a completely paid off house will always cost you money: you will need to pay taxes and other fees (at least, here in Germany). You can keep bowling and save a hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) per decade if you get rid of your car. Also, families in this income bracket will sometimes qualify for some government help – I got a USDA mortgage at a interest rate much less than the national average. I live in a one bedroom here for less than 500 that is beautifully managed and extremely safe. January 27, 2015, 10:58 am. skunkfunk No lift tickets. 30%-40% of the estimated value of houses just disappeared. So if you have anything saved already that will decrease the time you need to save. Peter Adeney was born in Canada on Wednesday, January 1, 1975. Or, if Dodd-Frank sticks… it could lead to a very productive and lucrative 3-7 year mini-career with a handful of my colleagues and I breaking out into our own consulting company, rather than working for an existing company. Wine and Scotch collection: $400 It’s ugly, and doesn’t fit my view of what Mustachianism is about. Here’s my question: My investment returns (75% stock index 25% bonds are far greater than my addition to capital investment/year, probably around 7% over time, right?) Michael Anthony Mr. Money Mustache is the Babe Ruth of the early retirement zealots on the blogosphere. January 26, 2015, 11:33 am. Tuesday – You are living the dream! Most of the PF software (Mint/Personal Capital) take care of this for you. If you’re 30 and making $50K/year, you need to have a net worth of $50K * 30/10 = $150K. I think you might confuse people by talking about how many “investments” you have (in the 3 financial indepence steps) and then laying out a “net worth” (and not “investments”) calculation. I recently noticed the latest version of the Mint Android app has a big plus sign at the bottom of the screen. That eventually went up to just over 100 grand over the next five years. Here's one person who has: Longmont, Colorado's Pete Adeney (more commonly known as Mr. Money Mustache). I wouldn’t do it in retirement as the advantage of tax arbitrage would not exist in that case. I’ve been using it since 2012, and it’s great. These apps rely on me feeding in all transactions manually. MrFrugalChicago It’s intended for do-it-yourselfers. http://www.mlcalc.com/#mortgage-20000-0-30-4.25-3000-1500-0.52-1-2015-month Complaints and insults generally won’t make the cut here, but by all means write them on your own blog! Maybe it’s both. My income tends to stay below 15,000 because I usually only work for 6 months out of a year. Would a pension that includes both an annual salary and a tax-free lump sum be included in the net worth? So a $12,000 annual bonus would show up as $1000/month extra gross pay. Zestimates are BALLPARK ESTIMATES. With regards to the car, again, if it generates income (do not include simple commutes) then it is an asset. Thanks MMM, this is a great reminder for me to go through a refocus my savings goals. I’ve long been stumped by how to calculate when you’ve got taxes, social security withholding, etc. So a house that is a rental is an asset as it brings in the bacon monthly and the same goes for a house that you have bought and the value has appreciated so much that it is worth is greater not only than the purchase price but also the compounded interest you have paid if it was bought on a mortgage. Nice work JB. So, if you consider that he probably put down at least 20% on the loan, a payment of $400 or less is quite realistic. 401(k) balance is $50,000, IRA is $27,300 and he has $90,000 left on his Harvard student loans, which he plans to get serious about soon and pay off over the next 10 years. For me, MMM works hella well because It encouraged me to take leaps of faith regarding things I was already inclined to do (I already was a ride my bike/walker, I just became an -always- rider/walker, instead of an occasional one. Your net worth is roughly $0? Worst case scenario you sell your share after the land value has gone up. So houses are assets that should be included in one’s net worth (and those that disagree are invited to give me their non-assets to see the lack of impact on my net worth), but the imputed rent and consumed rent expense should also be taken into account. Not everyone can handle the math involved in most engineering jobs. It is still worth something. But by that rule of thumb you should have a net worth of $144K. And I’m sure that those with children and families find enjoyment spending time and activities with them. I am now 52 and retired. (Once they reach FI, moving is fair game, though still entails many non-financial costs in losing friends and possibly further from family). I finally sat down one day around age 30 and calculated what I had already blown on cars in my young life. My home insurance + auto insurance is $120 month. cases, moving to a cheaper locale also means their labour will sell for much less. Of course not!”. If you plan on retiring while you’re still paying off the mortgage, then by all means include it in your forecast, but it’s still just debt reduction. There are many future value calculators that will let you war game how long it will take you to reach that goal with a given annual savings amount. January 28, 2015, 11:35 am. He is already 33, so this means he is sentencing himself to be locked into that office until age 58.” YES! Hell, my heating bill *alone* is $124/mth on the budget plan. January 27, 2015, 10:40 am. Like Mr. Money Mustache, Financial Samurai has had a huge impact on the FIRE community. ILiveInTaxCollectorCountry Living on ~$25k per year is feasible for a lot of people, and the median household income in the US is ~$50k. My tax return is always hard to predict…I’ll owe $5K one year, then get a $4K return the next. Mr. Money Mustache is the website and pseudonym of 46-year-old Canadian-born blogger Peter Adeney. Blaming the poor often just hides our own fear of economic vulnerability — a few curved balls from life, and there but by the grace of God we all go. ~$400/month PITI I’ve always been frugal, but you’ve helped me take it to another level, MMM. If you’re really starting at $0, then this could be your wake up call, Eldred… And then I also want to wish you good luck in reducing expenses and increasing income! And it all starts with the latest net worth update! That will help a BIT. The key is to understand where your money is going, and for most of us that means tracking your spending. DC Jr Mustashian So let’s look over Joe’s shoulder as he opens a biweekly paycheck: 401(k) plan deduction: $692 Our net worth increased significantly and we still managed to save a bit more money (despite not needing too). The rent I charge goes straight to my bottom line. This town had a population of about 10,000 and was approximately 30 minutes away from Hamilton. You might not be able to retire at thirty–but you probably could get really close, if that’s what you wanted. A potential barrier might be that your employer puts a cap on withholdings ( I can only withold up to 10 at my job). For all the Doubters out there, SocSecurity WILL be funded to as high as they can stand before most anything else in the budget, once the country defaults or prints its bond interest payments. You need to add back in the money that he is actually using – including to pay off loans – or will get to use – including all retirement and savings account deposits. Utilities – 456 Yes, it’s harder for low income people to save no one is debating that, but with low income generally comes lower expenses. If the house is worth $100k, I would assume he just paid more than 20% or got a better rate. So how can a busy person track all of these transactions and categorize them well? Income . The car has had many bonuses for the business as well though. Listen to the incredible national best seller that is changing people's lives - and increasing their net worth. 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